Episode 76
Is Acupuncture Biblical
This podcast episode delves into the intricate relationship between acupuncture and biblical principles, addressing the central query of whether acupuncture is a practice that aligns with Christian values. I, Savannah, your holistic health practitioner and host, present insights derived from various dialogues I have had recently regarding this ancient healing method, particularly in the context of its safety and biblical compatibility. We engage in a thorough examination of the concept of "chi," the life force central to traditional Chinese medicine, and discuss its implications from a Christian perspective. Furthermore, I emphasize the importance of discernment when considering holistic practices and offer guidance on how to approach these subjects without compromising one's faith. Ultimately, this episode aims to illuminate the potential benefits of acupuncture while maintaining a clear alignment with Christian beliefs.
Takeaways:
- In this episode, we explore the intricacies of acupuncture and its relation to holistic health, particularly through a Christian perspective.
- We examine whether acupuncture aligns with biblical principles and if it is a safe practice for Christians to consider.
- The significance of chi in traditional Chinese medicine is discussed, alongside its implications for overall health and wellness.
- Listeners are encouraged to employ discernment when engaging with acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine practitioners.
- The episode emphasizes the importance of understanding one's own body and the various healing modalities available to individuals.
- Finally, we discuss the scientific backing of acupuncture, including its effects on the nervous system and blood flow, as recognized by reputable medical institutions.
Transcript
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Speaker A:And welcome back to Casting Seeds.
Speaker A:I'm Savannah, your holistic health practitioner and host.
Speaker A:And you're looking listening to the only holistic health podcast that uses God's singular truth to give you individualized discernment.
Speaker A:That's funny.
Speaker A:I don't think I've ever messed up the intro, but here we are.
Speaker A:Also, thank you so much for your prayers and, and comments and just even questions for last week's episode.
Speaker A:It was so nice getting such an overall general, different Christian responses from different people.
Speaker A:So that was really wonderful.
Speaker A:I'm talking about healthc Care, which, speaking of this week, I actually, it's so funny, in my last week of work, because I did shut down my office for maternity leave, I had a lot of questions about people asking me about acupuncture.
Speaker A:And even my close friend called me the other day and was considering doing it for fertility treatments.
Speaker A:But there's also the underlying question of is it biblical and is it safe to do?
Speaker A:And yeah, I just thought it'd be good because I felt like I've had the same conversation four times within the past week to then implement that into a Casting Seeds episode.
Speaker A:So I have some information here on acupuncture.
Speaker A:If you've ever heard it's super unbiblical or very biblical or, you know, there isn't any science or there is science behind it.
Speaker A:I wanted to go over that today and just kind of give you guys a short, sweet little episode to be able to go in depth into acupuncture.
Speaker A:Or if you guys want me to really go in depth another time, I just don't think it would be necessary because everything I'm going to go over also kind of goes over traditional Chinese medicine as well, and it can all be correlated into one big ball because traditional Chinese medicine and acupuncture go hand in hand.
Speaker A:And that's why they also get their doctorate and they're considered Eastern doctors here in America and they have a doctorate, so they can actually sign off on prescriptions and things like that as well, which is pretty cool, actually.
Speaker A:So what we're going to go over today, I want to discuss what ancient Chinese practices are fine and what obviously are not biblically.
Speaker A:What is.
Speaker A:Some people call it qu or kui, but chi is what it's pronounced here in the Western world because it's spelled quite qi or chi.
Speaker A:And what is it mostly used for?
Speaker A:Okay, so that's just gonna kind of be the general basis.
Speaker A:And then from there we're gonna go into whether or not now using discernment and wisdom for you in your life application and how to do it if it is biblical.
Speaker A:So first of all, what is chi?
Speaker A:And I think this is what throws off a lot of Christians like what in the heck is chi?
Speaker A:Is it worshiped?
Speaker A:All that stu?
Speaker A:Chi is central to the concept of traditional Chinese medicine or tcm.
Speaker A:It's believed to be the vital life force or energy that flows through all things.
Speaker A:Your body, emotions, nature, the universe as a whole.
Speaker A:So it's what connects us to everything around us.
Speaker A:So obviously as Christians, we don't believe in that.
Speaker A:We do believe in.
Speaker A:What I've spoken about in past episodes is yes, there is in general creation and life 1.
Speaker A:It is not worshiped.
Speaker A:We don't worship creation over creator, but we understand that there is general life that happens that God gives to give it a name.
Speaker A:Humans do also have souls, right?
Speaker A:But animals and all of the rest of creation does not have that.
Speaker A:But we still have that same kind of tether that we are all creation.
Speaker A:Whether or not we can give that a name, I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't think that's a concept that's really in the Bible because it's just not necessary because I think it can very quickly and easily then start being that we're all equal and we're not as humans.
Speaker A:So I, I do think in traditional Chinese medicine that is obviously an incorrect, non biblical view that they see all of creation as the same.
Speaker A:And the Christians, we do not because we have souls and the rest of creation does not.
Speaker A:That's what separates us from the world.
Speaker A:So what is chi specifically?
Speaker A:So chi flows along an invisible energy channel in your body, or I should say multiple channels by the way, when I went to school to become a holistic health practitioner, I had to take at least was it two or three?
Speaker A:I think it was three traditional Chinese medicine classes in order to be able to get my, my papers.
Speaker A:So it was really hard and really confusing for me as a Christian to, to really get the concept of chi because it's very open ended and it doesn't fully make sense.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna try to explain this to the best of my ability and how it works in traditional Chinese medicine.
Speaker A:But chi is that invisible energy, right, that flows into multiple channels of our body.
Speaker A:And those channels are called meridians.
Speaker A:So there are 12 main meridians and then a bunch of subcategories of those meridians.
Speaker A:Each meridian corresponds to a specific organ.
Speaker A:So like the liver, lungs, heart, specific points that regulate energy and flow.
Speaker A:So there's like let's say someone was checking, like you.
Speaker A:You thought your liver was being overworked.
Speaker A:A traditional Chinese medicine doctor or an acupuncturist would feel, of course, your liver, it's easy to feel.
Speaker A:It's under the right.
Speaker A:Actually, you can do it with me.
Speaker A:You can reach underneath the right part of your ribs.
Speaker A:So you find your ribs and you just gently start scooping underneath.
Speaker A:And if that's really, really sore or feels bruisy or inflamed, then your liver is probably overworking and not doing so well.
Speaker A:But then the question is how.
Speaker A:How is it overworking?
Speaker A:And is it overworking to the point where it's not functioning as much, or is it overworking and inflamed?
Speaker A:So if it's not functioning as much, it'd be like a cold liver versus a hot liver.
Speaker A:And that goes into the feminine and masculine aspects of yin and yang as well, which we'll get into that in a minute.
Speaker A:Because it's a lot like.
Speaker A:There's a lot of, like, weird terminology, and I think that's what turns a lot of Christians off from.
Speaker A:From it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So if I.
Speaker A:If I was a acupuncturist and I saw that, then we would go check different liver points on that same meridian trail and, like, figure out where and how far down your body is it being affected.
Speaker A:All the way from your toes to your nose, up your neck, your spine, your arms.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:It travels all over the body.
Speaker A:So they would test all of those spots.
Speaker A:I hope this is making sense.
Speaker A:I know it can be kind of confusing.
Speaker A:So when your chi is balanced and flowing freely, you're healthy.
Speaker A:There's no blockages in the way.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The energy.
Speaker A:Think of each meridian spot as, like, a gate.
Speaker A:And if the gate is closed improperly, and it shouldn't be, then you are out of balance.
Speaker A:So when she is blocked, you're deficient or excessive, which is what I explained earlier with.
Speaker A:With the liver.
Speaker A:So it can be, like, considered hot, overly hot, or overly cold.
Speaker A:So an acupuncturist or a TCM traditional Chinese medicine doctor believes you can experience illness, pain, or emotional imbalance from these things, which, honestly, that's not far away from, like, how I do fascia work.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:When you have something that's tight in an area.
Speaker A:Let's actually.
Speaker A:Let's use my body as an example.
Speaker A: glute injury that happened in: Speaker A:I slipped and fell down a tile staircase, and I, like, literally chopped my left glute in half.
Speaker A:It was so gnarly.
Speaker A:And it's still intense.
Speaker A:It's actually affected me so much in my pregnancy.
Speaker A:Also, I'm so sorry that I'm like, out of breath, 34 weeks pregnant, insane.
Speaker A:And I just ate.
Speaker A:So I'm like, my lungs feel like they're in my throat.
Speaker A:So I'm sorry if I'm gasping for air this entire episode, but I promise it will be worth it.
Speaker A:But if you think about my glute injury, what happened was I fell on a tile staircase and it chopped my glute in half, right?
Speaker A:So it took.
Speaker A:It took actually a year just for the bruising to fully go away, let alone to be able to start working on it.
Speaker A:But the thing is, women in general tend to hold a lot more emotional stress or tension.
Speaker A:And this is just kind of like a general thing, like gagging while I'm talking.
Speaker A:I can't today.
Speaker A:This is going to be such a funny episode.
Speaker A:I feel so bad for you guys listening to me.
Speaker A:Okay, I can do this.
Speaker A:First week of maternity leave, you guys.
Speaker A:We got this.
Speaker A:Anyway, what I was trying to say is I can't.
Speaker A:Okay, okay, I got this.
Speaker A:So women tend to hold a lot of their stress in their hips.
Speaker A:So your shoulders and hips will either follow each other or your hips and your feet.
Speaker A:And men in general tend to hold more of their stress in their shoulders and hands.
Speaker A:So when you think about getting anxiety, women don't realize they internally clench, and it tends to be because they want to protect their vital reproductive organization organs.
Speaker A:And so you might be thinking, well, wouldn't a man want that?
Speaker A:Especially because they're productive?
Speaker A:Like, reproductive organ organs literally hang outside of them.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And because I thought that I was like, that makes less sense to me.
Speaker A:But think about it.
Speaker A:Because their reproductive organs hang outside of them more, what do men do?
Speaker A:They want to defend and fight.
Speaker A:So when men get upset, they actually tend to clench their fists first and brace their arms, back and their shoulders, and they're more ready to.
Speaker A:To attack.
Speaker A:And this is also, you'll notice now, especially if you're married and you get in a heated argument with your husband.
Speaker A:Like, I've seen my husband do that, where I see him clench his hands in frustration and try to calm down.
Speaker A:And I've noticed my core gets really tight down and I tend to go more towards my feet, so my feet will get really crampy.
Speaker A:Like, it's interesting.
Speaker A:It's something.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:These are very general things, and it's not a hundred percent.
Speaker A:Everybody obviously feels this way, but.
Speaker A:But it's kind of cool to see this science of how they've done studies and looking into people's bodies and how their stress and cortisol, how it affects you emotionally over time.
Speaker A:So when I slipped and fell, I also was pretty pissed and angry about a few things.
Speaker A:And what's interesting is when I was releasing it over a year later, those same hormones that got bunched up into that fascia tissue, you know, when it created the scar tissue, when they got re released, I literally had memories of falling, like slip.
Speaker A:It literally brought me back like I could.
Speaker A:I don't know, I.
Speaker A:It's almost like a movie reel in your head.
Speaker A:Sometimes you can just get really anxious or just kind of angry.
Speaker A:But whatever hormones you had at that time will re.
Speaker A:Release back into your body.
Speaker A:And how your body reads it is different from every person.
Speaker A:Like, like I said, it could be a memory thing, it could be just emotional.
Speaker A:Some people feel nothing, which is great.
Speaker A:Which I would say is like, with more severe injuries, you tend to get more of like the flashback stuff for things that are more chronic with the lighter stuff, like neck tension, not so much.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's cool to see that in traditional Chinese medicine.
Speaker A:That's reflected even in like the organs and all over health, which is backed up scientifically.
Speaker A:Even when I was trying to do a liver transplant to give my friend my liver when I was 22, 23, I think she passed away when I was 24.
Speaker A:So yeah, in between 19 and 24 years old.
Speaker A:One of the things that they asked me, and this was, what is that big hospital in LA that I can't think of right now?
Speaker A:It's also a student hospital, but whatever.
Speaker A:One of the big things they asked me is if I had trauma.
Speaker A:And I said, well, yeah, in certain ways.
Speaker A:And they did an in depth interview about it because they said that when you transplant organs, and they were like, we don't understand why, but you can give someone your memories and whether they're good or bad.
Speaker A:And it happens often with liver patients and heart donors, like even people who have passed away.
Speaker A:So it's clear that the hormones and cortisol, the scar tissue and things in organs can even be transferred from one person to another.
Speaker A:And some people can even read those memories, which is insane and so amazing.
Speaker A:And they have studies on it.
Speaker A:And it's crazy that I got this from this information from a hospital.
Speaker A:So do I agree that when chi, right, whatever chi is, is blocked or deficient or excessive, that it can give someone an experience like illness, pain or emotional imbalance yes.
Speaker A:But do I agree that it's chi specifically?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And I think at the end of the day, the question is like, so then what is qi?
Speaker A:And it seems to be scientifically, a combination of blood flow and even an electrical flow, like electrical pulses.
Speaker A:But if you were to see a traditional Chinese doctor and.
Speaker A:Or acupuncturist, they would say chi is more like energy from the earth and energy from, like, the universe.
Speaker A:So at the end of the day, does that mean that because they learned that energy, you know, is coming from the ground or from the sky, that it's something that Christians can't get, like, treatment from?
Speaker A:I wouldn't say it's bad.
Speaker A:And the reason why is because I think, especially after getting really into frequencies and understanding that when God spoke in Genesis, he created all of creation.
Speaker A:And that does mean that there's energy is like a type of vibration, right?
Speaker A:So, and we live.
Speaker A:I mean, plants live off of energy, the sun's energy, water, everything has a certain vibrational field and energy itself.
Speaker A:So even we put off an energy field right when we're alive.
Speaker A:Same with plants and animals.
Speaker A:Um, so I mean, as long as they're not asking you to worship it, which doesn't happen in.
Speaker A:In acupuncture in any way, shape or form, and same thing with traditional Chinese medicine.
Speaker A:But as long as they don't ask you to worship it in any way, I don't.
Speaker A:I just see it being one of, like, multiple venues of healthcare.
Speaker A:And for me personally, has it ever worked?
Speaker A:Kind of.
Speaker A:So my aunt and uncle actually are pretty famous in the acupuncture world.
Speaker A:They brought acupuncture to cruise ships.
Speaker A:They were, like, one of the first people to do that.
Speaker A:And then they had a very famous clinic on Oahu for a long time before they ended it a year ago and decided to retire finally.
Speaker A:They worked on me my whole life, and I didn't really feel better or were like.
Speaker A:It never really helped me very much.
Speaker A:The only time it did help me, I saw this woman, Yvonne, and twice I had, like, two really big, like, whoa, I feel so good afterwards.
Speaker A:The first time was I had an imbalance in my arm and, like, on a kidney issue and.
Speaker A:Or, I'm sorry, a bladder issue.
Speaker A:And I would.
Speaker A:I told her that I had bladder issues.
Speaker A:And so we followed it.
Speaker A:And then my arm.
Speaker A:My left arm was really tight, and she found one of the spots, and she put that needle in, and it hurt so badly.
Speaker A:And after about 15 minutes, a blister started to form around the needle, and it Burst.
Speaker A:It was the most disgusting thing.
Speaker A:And when that happened, I literally felt like.
Speaker A:Oh, like a huge pressure came out of my body.
Speaker A:I couldn't even explain it.
Speaker A:So that is literally the only time acupuncture has ever really fully worked for me, ever in my life, like, if I'm being honest.
Speaker A:But again, holistically, if we were to look at ourselves in our lives, like some people, acupuncture is the only thing that works for them.
Speaker A:And then for other people, chiropractic, and then for other people, Rolfing, like, what I do.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Or a combination of some of them.
Speaker A:But for me, acupuncture has never really helped me much.
Speaker A:And I admit that, and that's okay.
Speaker A:And I'm also kind of glad because it can be expensive, so.
Speaker A:Also, too, most acupuncturists happen to do best with Eastern herbs.
Speaker A:That's what they've studied.
Speaker A:I know a lot of them are tending to blend with Western herbs, especially if they're out here in America or I should say in Western civilization more so.
Speaker A:But I would recommend, because we've talked about on this podcast multiple times, that your DNA.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Is it.
Speaker A:It works best with the herbs that your body has known for the past eight generations on both sides of your family.
Speaker A:So unless you have some sort of Asian descent, sometimes Asian herbs do not work for people who are not Asian as well.
Speaker A:For me, I have, like, zero Asian ethnicity in my history, and as an herbalist, I have noticed that I don't.
Speaker A:Same thing with acupuncture.
Speaker A:I don't respond.
Speaker A:It's not that I don't respond well to it.
Speaker A:It's just like.
Speaker A:It's almost kind of like a ne.
Speaker A:Neutral.
Speaker A:Like, I'd have to take a ton of it for it to actually work.
Speaker A:Or I'm super sensitive to it because my body never uses it.
Speaker A:But, like, ginger, even ginger is technically much more of an Eastern herb.
Speaker A:And you can ask my husband.
Speaker A:I can pound that stuff.
Speaker A:Like, I can pound ginger, whether it's eating sushi or just drinking ginger shots.
Speaker A:And I barely.
Speaker A:I don't feel a lot of health effects from it.
Speaker A:I feel good.
Speaker A:I feel great.
Speaker A:I love ginger, and I think it turns on my digestive system, but it doesn't have all those, like, extra cool side effects.
Speaker A:Um, most North American.
Speaker A:North.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Northern European, Southern European, and South American herbs work best with me because that's what my genealogy is on both sides of my family going back eight generations.
Speaker A:And again, this is a Western, a price finding.
Speaker A:And I totally agree that eating food and herbs locally grown to you and also in your generational DNA is one of the best things that you can do for your body.
Speaker A:So now getting back to throwing this into all of like traditional Chinese medicine.
Speaker A:What does it do?
Speaker A:Or like what is the aim and purpose of it?
Speaker A:Because that's also a big thing with Christianity.
Speaker A:We want to know the heart issue of anything, right?
Speaker A:The main thing is to clear any blockages, restore balance to the body and support natural healing ability of the body itself to self heal.
Speaker A:None of those things are anti biblical.
Speaker A:No aspect of traditional Chinese medicine or acupuncture is about worship in any way, shape or form.
Speaker A:But the way that they word it and communicate it can be kind of confusing for people.
Speaker A:So I recommend that if you are interested in traditional Chinese medicine or acupuncture, I actually think it'd be great if Christians got more into this field because then I feel like it would give more of a broadened sense of bringing science into it and also a biblical perspective, which would be really cool.
Speaker A:But I personally do not see any anti biblical perspective.
Speaker A:Just, just on the chi perspective alone, like just talking about chi and meridians, none of it is anti biblical.
Speaker A:So Western medicine also doesn't really recognize Qi as the measurable energy.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It doesn't show up on scans or blood tests.
Speaker A:But this is the.
Speaker A:But scientific studies have shown that acupuncture activates the nervous system and improves blood flow and releases endorphins.
Speaker A:So that's why I mentioned earlier, in Western medicine we tend to call it like, it's like a combination of the electrical system and the cardiovascular system, which.
Speaker A:The cardiovascular system is a combination of blood and electrical.
Speaker A:Your heart is a physical pump and then you have the pericardium, which is the electrical pump around it.
Speaker A:So that's more of a Western perspective and an easy way to look at it for Christians.
Speaker A:So while traditional Chinese medicine explains the energy of chi, Western medicine kind of explains it as like the nervous system modulation and physiological response to it.
Speaker A:So Christian concerns with chi, right?
Speaker A:Is it treated as a design of.
Speaker A:As a.
Speaker A:Sorry, as a divine or spiritual force?
Speaker A:Does it replace trusting in God as our true healer?
Speaker A:And is it tied to New Age pin Pantheistic.
Speaker A:Pantheistic, that's what I was trying to say.
Speaker A:Or mystic world views.
Speaker A:Is it tied to all that it can be?
Speaker A:Yes, the same way that I would say yoga definitely can be 100.
Speaker A:So I think that if you're using it as a clinical acupuncture, you can actually find a lot of clinical acupuncturists that don't do the woohoo stuff.
Speaker A:The same way that you can find a lot of yoga teachers who can just take you through a stretching class and, and not do any weird worshipy stuff through it.
Speaker A:Um, I mean, it's good to remember like 1st John 4:1 where he says, dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits and see whether they are from God.
Speaker A:I think it's easy to call an acupuncturist on the phone and just kind of ask them the base of their practice and what they do in a session and why they do it.
Speaker A:I also want to note to find a really good acupuncturist, never go to someone who does anything under 30 minutes if they just do 30 minute little sessions on you.
Speaker A:That is not true acupuncture.
Speaker A:You want to have like 30 minutes aside or 40 minutes aside.
Speaker A:And when I mean side, I mean like the posterior and anterior part of you.
Speaker A:So like the back part of your body and the front part of your body.
Speaker A:The whole point is that it's taking time for the channels to open up and then they flip you over and then they do the front side as well.
Speaker A:So their sessions should be a minimum of an hour long.
Speaker A:And if they're not, I would not recommend going to that place.
Speaker A:That's just a personal opinion.
Speaker A:But yeah, I think a lot of people expected me to be anti acupuncture because acupuncture itself just sounds like.
Speaker A:Or traditional Chinese medicine sounds like it's very woohoo.
Speaker A:And I'm going to tell you right now, I think that Hollywood has done that more than anything where they have done a lot of mysticism around Chinese medicine.
Speaker A:And they're like, here I made this little ball of herbs and put it in your mouth and do a dance.
Speaker A:And it's almost like kind of.
Speaker A:I feel like they did that also to Native American cultures or I think about it, they.
Speaker A:Hollywood does that to every culture except for Western.
Speaker A:Western culture.
Speaker A:Like I don't, I think the most, I think, I think voodoo, I guess, like New New Orleans voodoo, which I know dates back to way before, but I feel like that's like the most modern version of like a kind of witchcrafty culture besides actual straight up witchcraft that has been kind of glorified, I guess in movies.
Speaker A:But if you think about it, the same thing happens, like whenever they talk about like a Mexican witch doctor, it always starts with like a Catholic thing and then it goes into like white witch stuff in Mayan stuff and Then same thing with Africa.
Speaker A:That's always like, yeah, there's so many.
Speaker A:Same thing with Inuits, like Eskimos.
Speaker A:They always kind of, they all, everything always has like a weird spiritual sense to it mixed with like herbs and people having some sort of spiritual experience.
Speaker A:And it is not like that at all in acupuncture in any way, shape or form.
Speaker A:Well, at least it doesn't have to be.
Speaker A:And I have never experienced that in.
Speaker A:I think I've seen like eight acupuncturists in my entire life and not once have I ever experienced.
Speaker A:It's very, very, very professional.
Speaker A:Um, they do recommend a lot of different herbs and things like that.
Speaker A:And you can ask them, is there a Western version of this herb?
Speaker A:Or I don't know if, if you're from African, if you're African descent, let's say you can say, is there an African version of this herb that's similar to it that I could take?
Speaker A:And they may not know and you may have to do your own research and that's fine.
Speaker A:But they do sell a lot of supplements and herbs.
Speaker A:So I think the biggest thing is like, what do Christians really need to consider?
Speaker A:I mean, is it rooted in a cult and mysticism or New Age practice?
Speaker A:Does it conflict with trusting in God or scripture, Occult and mysticism and New Age practices?
Speaker A:I think that can be in any type of holistic health care or even, I mean an all type of health care.
Speaker A:But no, in my professional opinion because I learned more of a western version of it and I feel like that's what's more presented in the Western world.
Speaker A:I have not noticed any type of occult or New age practices.
Speaker A:And if you do experience that, you can always shut down a session in an instant and have needles taken out of you in like two seconds and, and leave.
Speaker A:So, but again, out of all my friends, family and people I've been around, I have never heard of that, let alone experienced it.
Speaker A:Does it conflict with trusting in God or scripture?
Speaker A:Oh, I think if your goal is to make sure that you and your body are the self healers first and foremost and not that God is the first healer and you're secondary that his creation was made to be able to heal properly when it's in right alignment and when it's not in right alignment, it's going to be funky, right.
Speaker A:If your whole thing is about putting your trust and faith only in God, when your body's working correctly, then yeah, you need to take a step back and analyze your heart.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So, but no, I, I Don't think ultimately the act itself of getting acupuncture is taking away your trust in the Lord.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:Some acupuncture is also medicalized, right?
Speaker A:So it can be really detached from spiritual, spiritual roots in general because it's even used in like hospitals and physical therapy now.
Speaker A:So just know there is very, very, very allopathic side of it as well, which isn't my favorite.
Speaker A:I like to take a step back from that, or at least two steps back.
Speaker A: on, especially in Deuteronomy: Speaker A:I feel like that's, that's kind of like the base of all divination scripture.
Speaker A:Um, but it doesn't ban you from all forms of physical healing.
Speaker A:And I just want to make that very clear because Jesus also used unconventional healing, like mud and spit and garments that he touched.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:God works through physical means, not just spiritual means.
Speaker A:And yeah, I mean, I guess that depends on how you view scripture at the end of the day.
Speaker A:But I've seen physical things happen that I didn't think could ever have happened.
Speaker A:And it was so clear that it was the Lord even in my own life.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I pray that if that's God's will for you guys and you're in, in your lives, I do pray for that supernatural physical healing, not just the spiritual healing that we see, but ultimately these bodies are used as a sacrifice to be able to grow the kingdom in the future here, like, but also then to go to the kingdom come.
Speaker A:They're going to be left behind anyway.
Speaker A:So that's what I meant earlier when I said, like, ultimately, is it.
Speaker A:Does it conflict with trusting in God or scripture?
Speaker A:That's a heart issue that you would have to go through, you know, yourself.
Speaker A:But yeah, I think the ultimate question is for you guys, is the version that I'm using promoting a spiritual world worldview or does it counter the gospel in any way too?
Speaker A:Like, I want to know if I'm placing my faith in needles versus God, right?
Speaker A:So if you think that in any way, shape or form, please let me know.
Speaker A:But I pray and hope that you guys understand that God is the first healer.
Speaker A:And ultimately, at the end of the day, if acupuncture is used to help you, that's awesome.
Speaker A:But the same with the way that I talk about with herbs.
Speaker A:There's never a cure all and every person individually is different.
Speaker A:So just be careful if you do do acupuncture or any.
Speaker A:Even if People see me.
Speaker A:Some people have said, like, Savannah healed my shoulder, which is awesome.
Speaker A:Yes, that's happened.
Speaker A:But was it actually me at the end of the day?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:God definitely, you know, gave me a lot of knowledge and wisdom through schooling to be able to help and love on people, but he's the one who heals them.
Speaker A:At the end of the day, I'm just a vessel and they're the ones also doing the movement and doing the right things to take care of themselves and using wisdom to make themselves better afterwards as well.
Speaker A:So it's a team effort.
Speaker A: lking about First Corinthians: Speaker A:Whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
Speaker A: And Jeremiah: Speaker A:Heal me, Lord, and I will be healed.
Speaker A:Save me and I will be saved, for you are the one I praise.
Speaker A:Oh, I feel like if we really focus and meditate on those scriptures, there's no way that we're going to be confused or bombarded with what type of acupuncturist or even Chinese, you know, medicine doctor that we'd want to work with.
Speaker A:It'd be easy to find discernment there.
Speaker A:Just some clinical findings as well.
Speaker A:Acupuncture has been really, really well studied for a while and the Mayo Clinic and NIH have two really specific, specific in depth reports on how acupuncture is scientifically sound and based and has consistently helped people with consistent problems over time, from children like newborns, all the way up to like when people are about to hopefully meet the Lord.
Speaker A:So that's kind of cool to know that there are actual studies that have been done, like clinical studies, and seeing the consistency of the same type of protocols helping the same people over time, which is really great.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:And it basically proved that for people who do receive acupuncture, well, it's like it can totally heal them 100% and a very small amount like saw no difference.
Speaker A:And then about 50% of.
Speaker A:So it's like it broke into two categories.
Speaker A:It was the people who were like completely healed and better.
Speaker A:And then the other category was.
Speaker A:Or the other.
Speaker A:The other two categories was like someone people who felt no difference, which is really small.
Speaker A:And then the people who kind of felt better still had at least 50%, like 50% of them felt like 50% better, which is significant.
Speaker A:So that's much higher and much more consistent than a lot of other modalities out there.
Speaker A:So I give props, actually to acupuncture for that.
Speaker A:I'm in that lame category where I really don't feel a difference.
Speaker A:But I also did experience that one time.
Speaker A:Like, my bladder did feel better after I had that weird pus thing on my arm.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:At the end of the day, I want you guys to be encouraged to use prayer and wisdom before meet with any practitioner, let alone an acupuncturist or traditional medicine or Chinese medicine doctor.
Speaker A:And I want to know too, like, have you guys tried acupuncture?
Speaker A:Did it affect your body?
Speaker A:Did you feel like any spiritual warfare after doing it?
Speaker A:Was there anything convicting that you felt or un.
Speaker A:Like, did you feel like it was the practitioner itself?
Speaker A:Was it the needles?
Speaker A:Like, how did you guys feel?
Speaker A:I would love to know.
Speaker A:And I am excited to say that because I'm now on maternity leave.
Speaker A:I get to have a few interviews that are coming up because I've had to push them all out because I have been so pregnant and had to deal with so much.
Speaker A:My friend who passed away, her funeral is this weekend.
Speaker A:So a lot's going on there.
Speaker A:And I have my first ever.
Speaker A:First and last, of course, because you only have one.
Speaker A:But my first ever shower slash nesting party in two weekends.
Speaker A:And I'm so excited and I almost have everything off of my registry, which is like, crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Jeremiah and I have just been so blessed and we are so honored and so thankful for the random kindness that we've gotten from you guys.
Speaker A:Some people have purchased for us as well and sent us even homemade blankets and stuff is so cute.
Speaker A:But yeah, just the love and support that we've had and prayer over Penelope and.
Speaker A:And Jeremiah and myself, there's just.
Speaker A:I. I'm just dumbfounded with how much I love you guys.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I hope that this was a fun little educational episode.
Speaker A:I feel like we don't need to go more in depth.
Speaker A:Depth about it.
Speaker A:But if you guys have more questions on acupuncture, I would love to be able to support you through that.
Speaker A:Especially if you're like, I want to understand the meridians better or the organs.
Speaker A:We can definitely go into that.
Speaker A:If you ever want to do more of a holyistic Chinese medicine episode and what it means, especially with yin and yang, you know, more of the masculine and.
Speaker A:Or I'm sorry, feminine and masculine aspects of it, which is really funny because looking at.
Speaker A:Or I should say looking into a lot of ancient medicines, quote unquote, a lot of them are very feminine based or masculine based or combination of the two.
Speaker A:And I know that's very like anti how the world is right now.
Speaker A:Like there there aren't two sexes but everything around the world is based on two sexes.
Speaker A:Even even like Latin language.
Speaker A:So I just find that funny.
Speaker A:But anyway, I hope this helped you guys and if you have any other questions, please send me a dm.
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